no doubt jose had inherited a relatively stronger squad than rafa and also had an open cheque book of sorts...but if u look at what jose achieved in his v 1st season in the EPL as compared to ranieri, grant, and scolari wif basically the same set of factors/circumstances (perhaps another apt eg. wld be Man City this season wif Hughes and now Mancini to some extent)...u maybe able to discern the x factor that jose seems to possess...the ability to transfer his will to win to his squad together wif his winning tactics being paramount at the expense of winning in style...
jose also appears to generally hv the ability to effectively change tactics quickly during a match when things do not seem to be working out for his teams...something which rafa seems to lack more often than not in the EPL(saying that i acknowledge rafa's finest hour of effectively changing tactics in perhaps the best CL final ever 05')...also if u compare say Terry, Lampard, Joe Cole, Duff's stds/quality as players pre-jose and post-jose u may realise the impact jose has had in making them much better all round players...i seem to recall that these players hv gone on record to acknowledge the same...i think even drogba said the same thing...
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anyhow, to bro Omnia or other fans who think Jose will be better, are you guys sure?
on League performance:
both sign on 2004 for Chelsea and Liverpool respectively, but look at the squad inherited, and the amount of financial resources given..
JM had Terry, Gallas, Lampard, Cole, Makalele, Duff, Gudjohnsen and spent 90+ millions to buy Peter Cech, Robben, Drogba, R. Carvalho and others..
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what was so wrong wif Riise & Dudek?...Kewell was a good creative player at Leeds, just don't understand why he cld not consistently demonstrate that same high level of play in a reds shirt...oh and on the issue of Cisse, u maybe interested to know that rafa was apparently an admirer of cisse when he was playing for auxerre and scoring goals for jam...so much so that rafa was keen on signing cisse to valencia...gleaned this bit of info fm Paul Tomkins' book Golden Past, Red Future 2005...
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RB had Carra, Gerrard, Hamann, Baros, Riise (?), Kewell (??), Smicer (???), Dudek (????), Traore (??????) , Biscan (??????) and spent about 18 million on Alonso and Luis Garcia, (i refused to acknowledge that RB bought Cisse since the transfer was settled by GH before RB came on board)..
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yes we can only speculate but i get the feeling that on balance jose wld probably hv done a better job when it came to the EPL...he appears to understand what is required to win in the EPL more than rafa...however on the CL front i wld say that on balance rafa may hv the slight edge over jose...
oh and let me share another bit of info which i gleaned fm Carra's biography - Carra:My Autobiography...it seems that jose is personally a reds fan...carra apparently found this out fm another reds' player(sorry i can't remember who) who shares the same agent wif jose...
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close fight? turn the table around and i dont know how far can Jose Mourinho can bring us, and of course, we will never know the answers.. we can only speculate..
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yes i get the feeling that on balance rafa may hv a slight edge over jose when it comes to CL footie...but to be fair to jose i don't think u can take away the shine of porto's CL04' victory just based on the opponents they played...because these opponents probably had to beat the acknowledged bigger CL teams...
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On Champions League:
Mourinho won CL in 2004, look at his opponents to the Final.. (for ref: F.C. Porto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) besides Man Utd, who were worthy opponents?
compared that to Liverpool's opponents on the way to Final in 2005, we had Bayer Leverkusen, Juventus, Chelsea, and Milan.. So far, beside leading Porto to win in 2004, JM had yet to bring another team to Final, not with Chelsea (RB saw to that twice).. maybe this year he might.. unless Barcelona stopped him again.. while Liverpool went to final twice under RB.. |
actually i don't think rafa is a bad manager or a failure per se...on balance his CV wld probably place him in the top league of european club managers & deservedly so...however when it comes to the EPL i get the feeling that rafa just does not seem to get it...i think he is better suited to continental european leagues like la liga and serie a, hence i am not surprised that madrid (he was there in charge of the reserves for awhile when del bosque was manager) & juve r interested in him...i gather he once went on a successful sabbatical to juve under capello during his early yrs as a young manager...it seems he was a big fan of arrigo satchi, but by the time of his sabbatical arrigo had left juve to manage the italian national team...
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and for those who think RB is a failure, look at the clubs courting him to take over, please.. Real Madrid and Juventus are not small team, why would they want to get someone who is lousy? Big Clubs want successful manager to lead the team..
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